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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2020 2:15 pm 
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Welcome to Ukastle. Good finds with the casties.

On the 2nd/3rd links you provided, the extension tubes above the main column are modern additions, the first link is missing one of these. The columns are "standard" height for their type, but don't forget they would have probably had a swanneck bracket on top of the column that would have added a minimum of 1m in height, if not closer to 2m in some cases depending on the design.


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Thanks.  Aren't these columns a bit too short to be post-war?  I was thinking perhaps they could have been transplanted from another location, possibly from somewhere around Dudley after these areas became part of the Dudley borough?  All other post-war cast iron lighting I have seen is the more regular height, as I said the only lamp posts that were the same height as those in the links were the pre-war Revo lights in Wolverhampton.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2020 5:48 am 
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Manufacturers won't have necessarily changed the casting moulds after the war and would have kept producing the same designs. Metal was still in short supply, so it made sense to make a shorter cast iron column and if required raise the height of the lamp with a swanneck which used less metal than extended the column itself.


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This is really interesting.  I didn't realise some shorter cast iron columns would have been made after the war.  I have seen that Revo made 10ft and 12ft 6in columns, but I have never seen any like those in the Google maps images before, not even in old Revo catalogues.  The 10ft Revo Moseleys that used to be in Wolverhampton had wider bases and the rest were the typical 12ft 6in Revo Moseleys that were also extensively used in Dudley and Coseley with just a few in Sedgley.  There was also a 12ft Moseley variant with a wider base and some of these still exist by me.

It seems the lamp posts in Wordsley and Wall Heath could have been original installations after all and that some early 1950s streets like the one in the image could have had a mix of cast iron and concrete lighting.  There might have even been more cast iron columns around the Wordsley/Brierley Hill/Kingswinford area, some streets for example have thin concrete lamp posts from the 80s, so there could have been cast iron lighting in those streets rather than early concrete.


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Post war lighting didn't always use concrete or steel columns for some reason. Many areas still seemed to use cast iron. It's not really known why, but perhaps there was a shortage of concrete columns. Although the materials are low grade, the production process is complex and they need time to cure, which limits the numbers that can be produced.

Steel columns are quick to make but the material was in short supply. Cast iron being a lower grade material, would have been a suitable substitute but is only cost effective for side road columns. Shorter pre war designs would have also been cheaper to produce and easier to handle.


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I know many areas still used cast iron after the war, but there weren't many councils around the Black Country who did, they seemed to prefer concrete when each borough and district became electrified.  I remember that the old Revo Moseleys and Woolwichs in the parts of Coseley Wolverhampton took over being very neglected in the 80s and early 90s when I was a child,  the swan necks were rusting and one Revo Woolwich had never been repainted from its original dark green.  All cast iron lighting around the Black Country was originally dark green, but after the big boroughs took all the other places over, Dudley eventually painted theirs bright green and Wolverhampton a drab grey, although some of Dudley's cast iron columns like those in the Google images were painted another drab colour in their last few years.


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