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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:55 pm 
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I can't find a similar topic, so I've restarted it again...

I have been browsing some old Yorkshire Rider bus photos, and there's a few old lanterns in shot.

http://www.simplyyorkshire.fpic.co.uk/p62601486.html
Leeds bus station, before it got a facelift. Bus stations in Bradford and Halifax were the same, complete with GEC Flying Saucers. The bus is a Roe (now optare) bodied leyland olympian.

http://www.simplyyorkshire.fpic.co.uk/p62600987.html
Old sodium lantern on fancy bracket. Similar installations exist/existed in bradford. Bus is a GM Standard Atlantean.

http://www.simplyyorkshire.fpic.co.uk/p62601176.html
bigger bracket... but this photo is too old for that lantern to be a WRTL 2600!

http://www.simplyyorkshire.fpic.co.uk/p62601289.html
I have no idea what that lantern is. It could just be a flatglass "turtle", but it doesn't look the right shape...

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bigger bracket... but this photo is too old for that lantern to be a WRTL 2600!


That is definitely a 2600, but it would be too old to call it WRTL. The photos probably only date back to the early 1990s. Industria launched the 2600 in about 1986.


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mazeteam wrote:
http://www.simplyyorkshire.fpic.co.uk/p62601176.html
bigger bracket... but this photo is too old for that lantern to be a WRTL 2600!


That is definitely a 2600, but it would be too old to call it WRTL. The photos probably only date back to the early 1990s. Industria launched the 2600 in about 1986.


I can concur with that. Industria 2600s were installed from 1987 onwards in my area. What the example in the picture is doing on a busy main road like that is anybody's guess though!  :?

Here's a few on Geograph for you of the good old Blackpool tramway (but from the Fleetwood end because the lighting is more interesting!  ;) ).

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1616175
The first 'Tram Sunday' in 1985. This shows the Alpha 3s on Fabrikat columns which used to light Radcliffe Road, Fleetwood at this time. I well remember these, the columns were painted white with a red base and looked very smart. The trams are Brush railcoach 625 (fastest tram in the fleet, unofficially!) and making it's debut as an open-topper that year, 706 which is now named Princess Alice.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1615930
Another shot from the same day showing more of the Alpha 3s which extended onto the first part of Lord Street. The trams are 706 again and Dreadnought 59 which is now in storage in Clay Cross in Derbyshire.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1619234
From 1986 a nice shot of the long-gone OMO 9 on Lord Street, Fleetwood with a Fabrikat column in the background complete with GEC Turtle (the older black-canopied version). These ran SON at this point although I'm not sure if they were MBF to begin with.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1436512
A better shot of the Turtles from 1974 when they could have well been MBF. I think these were quite new then. The previous lanterns were GEC Z8430s which were mounted on brackets attached to the tram poles. The tram is one of Blackpool's more quirky designs, the Progress Twin-Car, in this case, 684/74.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1654578
In the Broadwater area of Fleetwood in 1992. This was a common installation in the town back then, a Stanton 8G column with Thorn Alpha 9. The tram is Brush Railcoach 622.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1601306
Pharos Street, Fleetwood, 1983. In the background are GEC Z8381 fluorescent lanterns, some mounted to tram poles. I'm not sure what the fluorescent lantern in the foreground is, possibly an AEI Fleetwood? All of these fluorescents had been replaced by SOX lanterns by 1985. The tram is English Electric Railcoach 679 which has now been rebuilt back into it's original 'streamlined' shape and will make it's debut in that form later this year.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1601904
I like this one! Taken in 1983 on The Esplanade in Fleetwood, in the foreground is a CU New Highway column with GEC Z8381 lantern and in the background is a Fabrikat column with Thorn Gamma 3 running SON. Soon after this the CU column was sleeved and fitted with a SON Alpha 3. The trams are 710 and the old-shape 724 which now has a big boxy body like a 1970s bus  :lol:

If anybody likes these I'll dig some more out and put them on.


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sotonsteve wrote:
mazeteam wrote:
http://www.simplyyorkshire.fpic.co.uk/p62601176.html
bigger bracket... but this photo is too old for that lantern to be a WRTL 2600!


That is definitely a 2600, but it would be too old to call it WRTL. The photos probably only date back to the early 1990s. Industria launched the 2600 in about 1986.

Hmm, so they're roughly the same age as me then...
It really doesn't look right on this bracket though!

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http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1615930
Another shot from the same day showing more of the Alpha 3s which extended onto the first part of Lord Street. The trams are 706 again and Dreadnought 59 which is now in storage in Clay Cross in Derbyshire.


Ahh, the dreadnought. The one tram I'm really hoping will make an appearance in blackpool for the events in september. From what I recall, passengers were only allowed to board/alight the tram using the rear staircase - due to health and safety reasons... obviously if somebody fell down the front stairs when the tram was moving then you may have a bit of an issue!

That Alpha 3 looks a bit unsuited to the stub bracket, I must say.

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http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1436512
A better shot of the Turtles from 1974 when they could have well been MBF. I think these were quite new then. The previous lanterns were GEC Z8430s which were mounted on brackets attached to the tram poles. The tram is one of Blackpool's more quirky designs, the Progress Twin-Car, in this case, 684/74.


The progress twin car was probably what set the precident for what we see in modern tramways now. Manchester's metrolink trams are on the same principle, just with a higher floor, faster motors, and a corridor between the two cars.


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http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1601306
Pharos Street, Fleetwood, 1983. In the background are GEC Z8381 fluorescent lanterns, some mounted to tram poles. I'm not sure what the fluorescent lantern in the foreground is, possibly an AEI Fleetwood? All of these fluorescents had been replaced by SOX lanterns by 1985. The tram is English Electric Railcoach 679 which has now been rebuilt back into it's original 'streamlined' shape and will make it's debut in that form later this year.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1601904
I like this one! Taken in 1983 on The Esplanade in Fleetwood, in the foreground is a CU New Highway column with GEC Z8381 lantern and in the background is a Fabrikat column with Thorn Gamma 3 running SON. Soon after this the CU column was sleeved and fitted with a SON Alpha 3. The trams are 710 and the old-shape 724 which now has a big boxy body like a 1970s bus  :lol:

It's always hard to get my head around lanterns that are just so big. I think if I was a kid when they were around, I'd have probably been a bit scared of them!

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Ahh, the dreadnought. The one tram I'm really hoping will make an appearance in blackpool for the events in september. From what I recall, passengers were only allowed to board/alight the tram using the rear staircase - due to health and safety reasons... obviously if somebody fell down the front stairs when the tram was moving then you may have a bit of an issue!


I've heard that due to H&S issues this tram will only be running non-stop services between Pleasure Beach - North Pier & back or doing private hires/illumination tours due to the dangers of passengers using the stairs when the tram is in motion. The same applies to Toastrack 166 if that runs in Blackpool this year. Will be good to see them both nonetheless!  :D

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That Alpha 3 looks a bit unsuited to the stub bracket, I must say.


I think Alpha 3s look quite smart on short brackets!

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The progress twin car was probably what set the precident for what we see in modern tramways now. Manchester's metrolink trams are on the same principle, just with a higher floor, faster motors, and a corridor between the two cars.


Very true! At the time the twin cars were seen as bit of a white elephant and have never been used much since their first few seasons but if they had been given more powerful motors and rebuilt with central corridors you could have had the world's first supertrams! Sadly tacking a trailer car onto a slightly-modified EE railcoach and not giving it any extra power to cope was never going to be a good idea!
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It's always hard to get my head around lanterns that are just so big. I think if I was a kid when they were around, I'd have probably been a bit scared of them!


They really were huge weren't they, I bet they were a b*tch to install/remove! It's funny though, even as a toddler (a rather precocious one I must admit) I didn't know anything about mercury or sodium but I always understood these large, long lanterns were fluorescent and not 'bulb' as i called the other lanterns! God knows how I knew that!  :?


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I often wonder how huge lanterns were installed in the 'old days' before we had modern conveniences like HIABs...
my GEC Flying Saucer, for example, is ~1m diameter. To install it you had to have the bowl on its fastening plate and the plate secured on the drop rods with it all in the lower position, then somehow wield a 1m wide lantern onto the top of a column and tighten the grub screws whilst leaning over the bowl... and THEN you had to screw on the canopy which weighs about 7kg!

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:shock:  Imagine if you dropped the lantern while installing it! What an almighty smash that would make!  :lol:


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I often wonder how huge lanterns were installed in the 'old days' before we had modern conveniences like HIABs...
my GEC Flying Saucer, for example, is ~1m diameter. To install it you had to have the bowl on its fastening plate and the plate secured on the drop rods with it all in the lower position, then somehow wield a 1m wide lantern onto the top of a column and tighten the grub screws whilst leaning over the bowl... and THEN you had to screw on the canopy which weighs about 7kg!

Probably like this  :lol: :

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29th June 1939: Painters stand on the telescopic platform at the back of a truck, to paint the streetlamps of Swansea, in preparation for the summer season. The Civic Centre Clock Tower can be seen in the background. (Photo by Parker/Fox Photos/Getty Images)


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29th June 1939: Painters stand on the telescopic platform at the back of a truck, to paint the streetlamps of Swansea, in preparation for the summer season.


This was in the days when some pride was taken in streetlighting and on the same subject line, what a fantastic installation! It looks like a sodium lantern too, so very modern at the time.


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