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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:48 pm 
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Thank you for the quick response and help, it's strange that the SGS201 name is used for two very different lanterns. https://ibb.co/BGHtLDL https://ibb.co/5KRcy4w here are 2 better images of the 10m light im 99% sure it is a SGS201 also.

I have some more lanterns I'd like to be identified if that is not too much trouble.

https://ibb.co/848DDbL https://ibb.co/bQqYDVV this on street view from 2016 can be seen day burning the location is Saltburn, Behind Alexandra Vaults Pub, I walked through there within the past week, it is still there 4 years later and still day burning... imagine the electricity bill.

https://ibb.co/5xT9nMd this is a similar or same lantern as previous I think, please correct me, apologies for the image quality, there are only 3 of those lanterns located at Skelton, Fountains Crescent and that is the closest one.

https://ibb.co/k10Bq4d https://ibb.co/CBBv6y5 https://ibb.co/fF1pyvv I am curious what the lantern in the first 2 pics are, I never saw many of them, the 3rd pic shows what I'm somewhat confident is an Eleco GR 150 but notice the bit of  metal sticking out behind where the bracket meets the post, do you think it was originally a double bracket that was butchered to make a single? These were located at Willerby, Beverly Road

https://ibb.co/Vg9rqN1 apologies again for image quality, is this a Philips SGS 204?

https://ibb.co/NnJfm4d https://ibb.co/HY56gQM https://ibb.co/4sH3R11 These were installed around 2005 to replace Philips MA and Eleco GR 150? lamps on the same columns only to be replaced less than 5 years later when the council did a huge replacement scheme. I've only ever seen those lanterns there at Saltburn, Saltburn Road.

That's it, we're about ½ way through the stuff I need identifying, I'm pretty sure you all have a good idea of where I live and the places I frequent now  :lol:

It's only within the past week or two I've learnt the names of things, prior to that I just had everything in my head, I had things in somewhat logical groups, like I could tell the SGS 201 and 203 were made by the same people, as with the various Urbis ZX lanterns, however I thought that the GEC 8830 and Thorn Alpha 8 were made by the same people due to perceived similarities and other things like that  :roll:


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The Alpha 3s in Whitby I think are the older and rarer 2nd generation Alpha 3s, manufactured by Atlas.  This is because the bowls have no refractor grooves, but are still detachable from the rest of the lantern unlike the 1st generation Alpha 3.

When did you take that photo ?  There haven’t been more than two in a row for about a decade now !


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:46 pm 
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The day burner is an Eleco HW918, the next image is the geared version HW11600.

The next  2 look to be Eleco GR151s which are the cut off version of the Eleco GR150.

Next is indeed a SGS204.

The last batch look to be Phosco P678s.

Simon Cornwell's website is still one of the best reference sites.

Try also Mike Barford's site.


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Secret User wrote:
Thank you for the quick response and help, it's strange that the SGS201 name is used for two very different lanterns.


It’s quite confusing that the old style series of the SGS201/202/203 lanterns are actually all called SGS201s.  This page outlines the differences between them:
http://phozagora.free.fr/?page=Lanterne_HGS

HGS instead of SGS just means that the lantern holds a mercury lamp rather than SON by the way (these lanterns are quite old, ceased production in the early 80s).


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The photos I get from street view, all of them. There's a way to look back on street view and see older versions which is how I did 95% of the images, this is how:

Normal: https://ibb.co/HD2kwQg
Click this clock thing: https://ibb.co/8dwNVQL
This window pops up, drag the slider to the time you want: https://ibb.co/37JXsrY
Click on the preview and you get this: https://ibb.co/YWRKBsr

@ZQH I also found this which made things make more sense to me about the 201s https://ibb.co/dp0YMwb thanks to Phosco

Thanks to the websites given I feel somewhat sure that this is a GEC Z9480 https://ibb.co/1XxNK6V https://ibb.co/qDnFHSg

However I am far less sure about these https://ibb.co/25qQf3Z https://ibb.co/p0Cm42w https://ibb.co/SfG4Tzr https://ibb.co/5x9F0Qr they could be GEC Z8430, Z8490, Z8495 or Z8591...

https://ibb.co/NVVMPwd I feel this is an AC Ford AC 888 and this is an AC Ford AC 850 https://ibb.co/pWpY00g based on what I see here http://www.streetlightonline.co.uk/newA ... graphs.htm

These mercury lamps all look kinda similar to me with the only big difference to me being bowl shape with some being more vertical and some more round

Although I now have good sources I would still like in some cases to ask here until I am more confident in identifying things myself, as I've said elsewhere I've only started to be able to identify things by name within the past couple of weeks.


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The first 2 lanterns you are unsure of are Z8430s as they are main road lanterns. The other types are side road lanterns.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:13 am 
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Secret User wrote:
The photos I get from street view, all of them. There's a way to look back on street view and see older versions which is how I did 95% of the images, this is how...

Ah yes, I'm aware of the time machine feature on street view.  It's going to be especially useful in the future, to see how everywhere was before LED wipes out everything !

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However I am far less sure about these https://ibb.co/25qQf3Z https://ibb.co/p0Cm42w https://ibb.co/SfG4Tzr https://ibb.co/5x9F0Qr they could be GEC Z8430, Z8490, Z8495 or Z8591...

Phosco has identified the first two as GEC Z8340s.  It's hard to tell from the angle of the picture but I happen to know exactly where these are in Whitby and I think they are GEC Z8430CMs instead due to the different bowl shape to a Z8340 (I hope they're still standing !  Not been to Whitby for a few years).  The third lantern I'd guess is a GEC Z8490 but there's so many very similar lanterns I'm not exactly sure  Edit:  Looking at photos carefully I think it's actually a GEC Z8896.  The fourth lantern looks like an AC Ford 888.

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https://ibb.co/NVVMPwd I feel this is an AC Ford AC 888 and this is an AC Ford AC 850 https://ibb.co/pWpY00g

These are both definitely AC Ford 850s, slightly different shapes of course since one is the top entry version (by any chance are these near Whitby too ?  I've seen an example of the same decorative bracket as the first picture in Sleights).


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Thank you again! Was I right about the GEC Z9480?

I think you're right about the first 3 however I am unsure about the 4th as a google shows that the 888 is top entry and 850 is side entry like the other page said too. But this 4th lantern has a different bowl to either the 850 or 888, it is more rounded so I don't know what it is. I might be wrong about all of this of course. Are you sure the last two are both 850? For the same reasons as above.

image 1 and 2 are whitby near heron
image 3 is the 1st light when entering hinderwell from the west
image 4 is either  hinderwell or castleton near where image 6 is
image 5 is indeed whitby it is taken on one of those roads that come off the road with gutsy gingers on it
image 6 is castleton on the north side of the village just over the bridge from the pub next to the railway bridge


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Secret User wrote:
Thank you again! Was I right about the GEC Z9480?

It looks like you’re correct, unless there’s another similar lantern I don’t know about.

Secret User wrote:
I think you're right about the first 3 however I am unsure about the 4th as a google shows that the 888 is top entry and 850 is side entry like the other page said too. But this 4th lantern has a different bowl to either the 850 or 888, it is more rounded so I don't know what it is. I might be wrong about all of this of course. Are you sure the last two are both 850? For the same reasons as above.


Actually I think I might be wrong about the AC Ford lanterns.  I always thought that AC Ford 850s were the ones with this bowl type and that the AC Ford 888s were the ones with the rounder bowl.. This is how they look on the AC Ford website, and on some other websites.  Although just checking now I think it turns out the two bowls can be used for both and it’s the side entry/top entry mounting that decides the lantern model number.


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I always thought that AC Ford 850s were the ones with this bowl type and that the AC Ford 888s were the ones with the rounder bowl..


With regards to lantern identification, one thing that can affect the 'look' of the thing is whether its bowl is an OEM (original equipment manufacture) or is a non standard replacement. Whilst some aftermarket bowls are basic in terms of design, others are very good with decent refractor plates etc. The bowl shape will be the same as the original, but the finer details such as the refractors will always be a compromise between the standard of tooling and the final selling price.

The most notable manufacturer of reproduction lantern bowls is 'Vacuum Formers Ltd of Macclesfield.

https://flic.kr/p/2jJ6dWx.

I got this leaflet whilst a delegate at Lightex 91, however it is interesting to see how they catered for many types of lantern; some of them dating from the 1960s.

https://flic.kr/p/2jJ2Dc6

The company has been producing such things for many years, although one would suspect that this niche market has been eroded following the demise of 'traditional' streetlighting throughout the UK.

As it happens, I have some repro bowls on a few of the lanterns in my collection. I would imagine that in areas with vandalism problems, the ability to order a joblot of cheap, spare bowls from 'VF' would have been much appreciated by the local streetlighting department.

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