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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:30 pm 
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Kingscote Hill in Crawley is the first street that I have found so far that has had its Arcs replaced by Axia 3. https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZDUCiCPoKbzaqEeH7?g_st=ic
Also the Arcs that have been replaced are the ones installed during the PFI whereas the older Industria Arcs from pre PFI still remain on neighbouring roads (Buckswood Drive and Woburn Road). Quite weird that the new lanterns were replaced first
Crawley along with West Sussex still has an interesting variety of lanterns from before the PFI.
Southwater Close has some now uncommon Philips FGS 103. https://maps.app.goo.gl/JNnGHhjyRYRA6v8H7?g_st=ic

Lots of streets have Residiums like Abrahams Road. https://maps.app.goo.gl/dvgM7vS5bhY9pY3DA?g_st=ic
Aswell as Brettingham Close and many other streets. https://maps.app.goo.gl/35brBGx1sDQsehkQ9?g_st=ic


Admiral Road had Grey Libras And an Iridium replaced by smaller sized black Libras between 2012 & 2016. https://maps.app.goo.gl/59E8NfXvTKvuJxPQ9?g_st=ic

Ellman Road has some uncommon Siteco/Siemens St 50 and Pegwell close has Siemens/WRTL SRl8. https://maps.app.goo.gl/JkTozF1cJbNhvpNa7?g_st=ic

Philips SGS204 and SGS203 on Ifield Road
As well as WRTL MRL6 which were installed between 2009 & 2012. https://maps.app.goo.gl/TiyLjVk7SxQ8b78T9?g_st=ic

More SGS204 on Pegler Way.

There still lots of Urbis Sapphires and zx2 around Crawley.

College Road Northgate Avenue Roundabout  we’re recently rebuilt and the lantern are Hampshire green coloured Luma gen2s. Wonder is this going to be like the start of the PFI when black lanterns were installed and replaced by Hampshire green lantern.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/yjzghXZtbGQq9idYA?g_st=ic

Hawth Avenue in Crawly has GEC Z8600/ MRL6.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PBpWLdYwUF6V2ewP7?g_st=ic

In Southwater a WRTL SRL8 on a concrete columns still survives on College Street.https://maps.app.goo.gl/q2przt9jJqbFhgHG9?g_st=ic

In Hurstpierpoint some old Mercury Vapour lights were replaced by some Sussex green
Thorn R2L2. Are they WSCC council owned or parish owned? Also some Philips Residium from before the PFI. https://maps.app.goo.gl/cTt342zcDiYwQ8iF6?g_st=ic

Siteco/ Siemens SR lanterns still exist around West Sussex including Crawley. Here is some on
Southgate Roundabout. https://maps.app.goo.gl/bNdQA4AiSpSuj7FE8?g_st=ic

Lots of different pre PFI lanterns on A24 in Worthing. https://maps.app.goo.gl/nBcgCZ8GA4SaMQFp7?g_st=ic

https://maps.app.goo.gl/VNfMNDxQRSZeT4dT9?g_st=ic

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ViuixXJuSfNbfxH16?g_st=ic


Newly installed in Philips Luma gen2 in WSCC green along Nightingale in Littlehampton. https://maps.app.goo.gl/K9S64Adw6SUsmJsk7?g_st=ic

New build estates in Durrington area of Worthing has white Luma gen1&2 aswell as WSCC green Luma gen2. https://maps.app.goo.gl/WZaumw3RTFLhk6SA7?g_st=ic

Dark green Luma gen2 in Crawley.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dQUsA613KwAQkjVXA?g_st=ic

Weird that WSCC uses different coloured
lanterns.

Hop Oast Roundabout near Horsham had a new lane added in early 2019 and the Lanterns used were gen1 Philips Iridium in dark Green meaning that they were not left over from PFI and were ordered for the project. This could possibly be one of the last brand new Philips Iridium gen1 installations.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ARF8JLPsuhXirGXq6?g_st=ic

In Bognor Regis there some dark green Urbis Sapphires. https://maps.app.goo.gl/GvwVPV53nqexrU3C9?g_st=ic

Aswell as Some blue Urbis sapphires. https://maps.app.goo.gl/Akm46CHHC8f6Mso19?g_st=ic
A few Urbis Cabrio? Got replaced by Urbis Citea NG in Bognor Regis High Street.https://maps.app.goo.gl/BephXsxbnT17hR5h6?g_st=ic

North Bersted Bypass was build in 2014/2015 and yet used The Urbis Sapphires installed of the Iridium even tho Iridium was used on the roundabout at the western end of the bypass
Which was build in 2010/2011. https://maps.app.goo.gl/TSUHCBDTGpxgx7KA9?g_st=ic
Bersted Park new build estate uses Urbis Albany and unusually Urbis ZX12.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/ttAU1ZiMUswV9PyE9?g_st=ic

Avenue De Chartres in Chichester green Urbis Sapphires on curved columns https://maps.app.goo.gl/VQsX3AGwNE36aZDP7?g_st=ic

Charles avenues Chichester has Philips FGS105.  

https://maps.app.goo.gl/T71erRvapWeCSzxY6?g_st=ic

Swanfields Drive and The rest of Swanfields Park has a variety of different CFL street lights including Philips FGS104 &FGS105, Residium and an Urbis Altra.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dJ6k446q3dF3yfWN9?g_st=ic

https://maps.app.goo.gl/MFGTho2LCkAFDCSY6?g_st=ic

https://maps.app.goo.gl/LDyqVZncrJnTYBZ2A?g_st=ic

A283 junction with A27 has some more
Siteco SR. https://maps.app.goo.gl/UtniUeQUrP6icAB88?g_st=ic

Definitely like that West Sussex didn’t replace all street like in the PFI like Hampshire, but Hampshire had to so they could use CMS.


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:52 pm 
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For some unknown reason, the South Coast PFI left a lot of main road lighting untouched, especially in the town centre of Crawley, practically nothing got "PFIed" in that respect. The 8m concretes were the main focus - they did all go, but steels were left largely alone. I suspect it may have been not enough money, what the PFI did do, was done quite late on, near the end of the bulk replacement program, although the side road concrete stock was done many years earlier.

In Chichester, the "non Libra" CFL lanterns were fitted way before the PFI (there were some in Crawley too, and other parts of West Sussex) as was Avenue De Chartres which predated the PFI by at least 5 years - all long before the Google Street View time machine was invented.


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:43 pm 
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Yup that’s what I like about West Sussex as there is still a variety of older SON fixtures about unlike Hampshire. As some street lights only lasted a couple of years before being replaced by PFI and it was a bit wasteful but then again HCC wanted CMS. But I do find it weird that looking on Street View some street that had older Philips SGS 203, 204 and Traficvisons were replaced and some didn’t. I would guess that the columns were rotten or needed to be taller but still. Also do you know by any chance if they stated replacement to LED? As looking on GSV I only managed to find one street that had been converted and one Arc that probably failed had replaced by an Axia3 as no other street light were converted. Also can’t find any thing online. If they started do you know what area they doing first or have already done?


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:15 am 
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I must admit, all has gone quiet on the West Sussex LED front. I had thought it was a confirmed deal that was progressing, but all seems quiet both online and out on the ground. So was it a proposal that got axed?

In Hampshire, things became a bit ambiguous too. Hampshire had a plan to upgrade about half of their main road lighting to LED, but all went quiet, and we subsequently learnt that having extended their dimming profiles they decided to drop the plans for LED upgrades.

So, who knows what will happen. It's worth noting though, in neighbouring Dorset there have been considerable LED replacements especially on main roads. I've not been able to find anything online to confirm a plan, yet there is clearly a plan taking shape there.


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:47 pm 
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I have been to Weymouth & Portland a few weeks back and most of the main road lighting has been converted to LED (Axia 3) tho most was done by late 2020. Interesting the only thing I found is a news report of residents complaining about the LEDs being too bright. Both PFI were done by Enerveo (formally SSE) so that might have something to with it. Yet Swindon had LED conversions done by them as well and yet it had an excellent coverage of the conversion on SBC website with it being updated to show which streets are being done in the coming weeks. Surrey although not done by SSE also had a good coverage of works. Weird that WSCC dose not want to advertise how green they are by upgrading to led. (If they are actually doing it.)


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
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Hampshire has put out proposals to extend the existing dimming and part-night streetlighting in residential streets, where appropriate and based on local evidence.

https://www.hants.gov.uk/News/09112023F ... ndingplans

I'm surprised they are still not proposing the switch to rollout to fully LED like other neighboring councils.


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
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Nathan wrote:
Hampshire has put out proposals to extend the existing dimming and part-night streetlighting in residential streets, where appropriate and based on local evidence.

https://www.hants.gov.uk/News/09112023F ... ndingplans

I'm surprised they are still not proposing the switch to rollout to fully LED like other neighboring councils.


It will be interesting to see the proposals in detail. Extending the hours of switch-off (the part night scheme) is something I could expect and is technically feasible, but as for the dimming I was under the impression they had already pushed the residential lighting to the limits of what is possible and that dimming any further is beyond what the equipment can physically deliver. Compact fluorescent is dimmed by 65% (to 35%) whilst CosmoPolis is dimmed by 40% (to 60%). Main road lighting has more of a buffer, because the SON has a three-stage dimming regime of 30% from dusk to 11.30pm, 50% from 11.30pm to 5.30am, and 25% from 5.30am to dawn. They could do more with main road lighting. Ultimately, Hampshire haven't done much with LED largely because their lighting is already arguably the lowest energy non-LED street lighting in possibly the whole world, aside from anywhere just using domestic CFL fittings.

Their LED replacement proposals for half of their main road lighting stock has also been a non-starter. It does require investing to save, which is the problem. The cost-benefit of replacing or upgrading the Libras to LED would be negative, but with the SON, Cosmo and CDM-Elite there may be a business case, especially if some of the lighting is on major roads that require formal traffic management to be put out for relamping such as dual carriageways.


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
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Southampton have increased their part night lighting regime, extending from the previous 01:00-04:00 switch off that matched up with neighbouring Hampshire, to 01:00-05:30 now. This came into effect on 1st December. This means that the City of Southampton now has a lengthier switch-off than surrounding areas falling within Hampshire.

However, Hampshire have agreed on the need to make further savings on street lighting from 2025 onwards, and it appears that over the next year they will look into what further savings can be made from dimming (my thoughts are they've reached the limit with compact fluorescent and CosmoPolis), extending part-night lighting, and switching more lighting over to LED.


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:34 pm 
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PL-L lamps have been phased out.
https://www.sparksdirect.co.uk/blog/flu ... ember-2023
I wonder how Southampton, Hampshire, and West Sussex will maintain their Libras.


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 Post subject: Re: South Coast PFI
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Given, how much they are dimmed, which significantly increases lamp life, it wouldn't surprise me if they are still on their original lamps after more than 10 years.

It will be easy to buy up sufficient stock in advance, if they ever plan to re-lamp.

It isn't going to be a problem for the next 10 years.


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